About

We don't start
with the model.

With Not For gets the systems a company already uses into shape, then builds the automation that runs on them.

Jack Lesser, Founder of With Not For
Available for New Clients
WNF
Founder & Principal
The founder

Jack Lesser

With Not For is a small firm on purpose. If you hire us, you work with Jack. There isn't an account team in the middle.

A lot of companies call after an AI pilot. They bought the licenses, tried an agent, and it didn't stick. People often blame training. When we look at the files, that's rarely the real issue.

What we find is data that was built for people. Copies with the same name, the same record typed in more than once, systems that don't share an ID. Staff filled those gaps for years. Models guess. We treat that layer the way you'd treat software: see what's there, make it reliable, then build on it.

Each system we map makes the next job faster. We don't staff up a new team for every client.

How we work

A few things we hold to.

01

Read-only first

Discovery doesn't change, move, or download your files. Work after the report is a separate decision.

02

The records, not the story

We look at how the files actually behave. Interviews miss the joins. The data usually doesn't.

03

No software markup

We build on tools you already own. If the data isn't ready, we say so instead of selling another pilot.

Request a Systems Discovery.

It's free and read-only. You keep the report either way.